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	<title>Comments on: Keyloggers for OS X &#8211; Why you should install one and which one to choose: Spellcatcher, BackTrack, logKext</title>
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		<title>By: alec</title>
		<link>http://foliovision.com/2010/01/17/keyloggers-mac-os-x#comment-51670</link>
		<dc:creator>alec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jul 2010 12:43:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Mike,

Thanks for your comments. In my case, all my passwords, etc. go via copy and paste, i.e. the clipboard (and hidden at that) rather than typing.

Having webforms in Firefox is irrelevant for live typing into comment fields and online writing tools.

I still think physical security of the machine is the most important aspect of security. If any malware or hacker has access to your machine, you are really not safe no matter what you do (even if you take the risk of an encrypted drive: encryption seriously complicates and compromises backup and often performance).

So while I understand why you think so, I have to disagree and insist that a good keylogger is an essential tool of the modern internet warrior.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mike,</p>
<p>Thanks for your comments. In my case, all my passwords, etc. go via copy and paste, i.e. the clipboard (and hidden at that) rather than typing.</p>
<p>Having webforms in Firefox is irrelevant for live typing into comment fields and online writing tools.</p>
<p>I still think physical security of the machine is the most important aspect of security. If any malware or hacker has access to your machine, you are really not safe no matter what you do (even if you take the risk of an encrypted drive: encryption seriously complicates and compromises backup and often performance).</p>
<p>So while I understand why you think so, I have to disagree and insist that a good keylogger is an essential tool of the modern internet warrior.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://foliovision.com/2010/01/17/keyloggers-mac-os-x#comment-51499</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2010 18:21:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If your goal is to save webform data upon browser crashing, a quick Goog search turns up this FF addon:  https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/6984/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If your goal is to save webform data upon browser crashing, a quick Goog search turns up this FF addon:  <a href="https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/6984/" rel="nofollow">https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/6984/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://foliovision.com/2010/01/17/keyloggers-mac-os-x#comment-51498</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2010 18:20:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a security professional, installing a keylogger on your machine in order to guard against data loss, even for real-time protection in a web form, is just a straight-up bad idea.  Malware/spyware these days is as cagey as it is sophisticated; there exists plenty of malware that will run through every file on a hard drive looking for credit card numbers, passwords, SSNs, gather them up, encrypt the data and send it out to who knows where -- keylogging yourself (and, as such, all the above info) and keeping that data on your machine is just asking for trouble.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a security professional, installing a keylogger on your machine in order to guard against data loss, even for real-time protection in a web form, is just a straight-up bad idea.  Malware/spyware these days is as cagey as it is sophisticated; there exists plenty of malware that will run through every file on a hard drive looking for credit card numbers, passwords, SSNs, gather them up, encrypt the data and send it out to who knows where &#8212; keylogging yourself (and, as such, all the above info) and keeping that data on your machine is just asking for trouble.</p>
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		<title>By: Brandon</title>
		<link>http://foliovision.com/2010/01/17/keyloggers-mac-os-x#comment-40880</link>
		<dc:creator>Brandon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 May 2010 02:40:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,
I&#039;d be really interested in learning more about the uninstall issue with Logkext.  Is the program something you currently can&#039;t remove on Snow Leapord.  I really want to use it but don&#039;t want it on forever.  please advice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,<br />
I&#8217;d be really interested in learning more about the uninstall issue with Logkext.  Is the program something you currently can&#8217;t remove on Snow Leapord.  I really want to use it but don&#8217;t want it on forever.  please advice.</p>
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		<title>By: fu</title>
		<link>http://foliovision.com/2010/01/17/keyloggers-mac-os-x#comment-40625</link>
		<dc:creator>fu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 May 2010 00:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well Im trying this one out...

http://firetech.cowfight.com/project

I found it via this forum thread...

http://forums.macosxhints.com/archive/index.php/t-66450.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well Im trying this one out&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://firetech.cowfight.com/project" rel="nofollow">http://firetech.cowfight.com/project</a></p>
<p>I found it via this forum thread&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://forums.macosxhints.com/archive/index.php/t-66450.html" rel="nofollow">http://forums.macosxhints.com/archive/index.php/t-66450.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: alec</title>
		<link>http://foliovision.com/2010/01/17/keyloggers-mac-os-x#comment-36662</link>
		<dc:creator>alec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Apr 2010 13:40:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi J,

You are very close to my original solution. I recommend Typinator as a far more bug free and reliable text expansion solution (I own licenses to both and started on TextExpander).

That said, what I am using now is BackTrack. It&#039;s worth it to me in order to get really clean and well separated logs. If I ever run into performance issues with BackTrack I do have a backup solution in place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi J,</p>
<p>You are very close to my original solution. I recommend Typinator as a far more bug free and reliable text expansion solution (I own licenses to both and started on TextExpander).</p>
<p>That said, what I am using now is BackTrack. It&#8217;s worth it to me in order to get really clean and well separated logs. If I ever run into performance issues with BackTrack I do have a backup solution in place.</p>
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		<title>By: J</title>
		<link>http://foliovision.com/2010/01/17/keyloggers-mac-os-x#comment-36652</link>
		<dc:creator>J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Apr 2010 12:50:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I noticed today that one of the apps that ive used for many years has keylogging capabilities. The APP is&quot;TextExpander&quot; (smileonmymac).


  &quot;While TextExpander does indeed log keystrokes, these keystrokes are never saved or sent anywhere. Moreover, TextExpander empties its cache whenever you type the spacebar. Thus, TextExpander hardly ever remembers more than 20 characters of what you most recently typed. Using TextExpander does not compromise your privacy&quot; (quote from FAQ)

I read the above &amp; checked-out the Apps preferences. Unfortunately there seems no way to set it to &quot;hold&quot; onto keylogged information, but i&#039;m not a programmer!

Do you think the textexpander product has the capabilities to be adapted into a keylogger ? I.e is it worth a &quot;feature request&quot; email to them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I noticed today that one of the apps that ive used for many years has keylogging capabilities. The APP is&#8221;TextExpander&#8221; (smileonmymac).</p>
<p>  &#8220;While TextExpander does indeed log keystrokes, these keystrokes are never saved or sent anywhere. Moreover, TextExpander empties its cache whenever you type the spacebar. Thus, TextExpander hardly ever remembers more than 20 characters of what you most recently typed. Using TextExpander does not compromise your privacy&#8221; (quote from FAQ)</p>
<p>I read the above &amp; checked-out the Apps preferences. Unfortunately there seems no way to set it to &#8220;hold&#8221; onto keylogged information, but i&#8217;m not a programmer!</p>
<p>Do you think the textexpander product has the capabilities to be adapted into a keylogger ? I.e is it worth a &#8220;feature request&#8221; email to them.</p>
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		<title>By: alec</title>
		<link>http://foliovision.com/2010/01/17/keyloggers-mac-os-x#comment-32266</link>
		<dc:creator>alec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Mar 2010 23:39:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for stopping by J.

Keybag looks like overpriced and poorly coded rubbish to me, based on protemac&#039;s application portfolio and price list.

No way I&#039;m leaving $10/seat BackTrack for $50 Keymac.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for stopping by J.</p>
<p>Keybag looks like overpriced and poorly coded rubbish to me, based on protemac&#8217;s application portfolio and price list.</p>
<p>No way I&#8217;m leaving $10/seat BackTrack for $50 Keymac.</p>
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		<title>By: J</title>
		<link>http://foliovision.com/2010/01/17/keyloggers-mac-os-x#comment-32260</link>
		<dc:creator>J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Mar 2010 23:13:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about Keybag  (protemac.com)

its Leopard/snow leopard compatible

whats your verdict?

Particularly the problems raised above (i.e. sending home private information about their clients)

I posted this on there forums: I really can&#039;t see this app being useful to me as everytime i start a new line then keybag creates a new entry. To piece together a long facebook entry would be very time consuming. If you can address this  then it may become a worthwhile product

But after 5 days I&#039;m strting to think that its Not bad...reliable..... and I suppose Useable. The Trial has a 4 hour limit...but for me it Timed out once then seemed to just work permanently after that (so its working FREE for me)

nice!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about Keybag  (protemac.com)</p>
<p>its Leopard/snow leopard compatible</p>
<p>whats your verdict?</p>
<p>Particularly the problems raised above (i.e. sending home private information about their clients)</p>
<p>I posted this on there forums: I really can&#8217;t see this app being useful to me as everytime i start a new line then keybag creates a new entry. To piece together a long facebook entry would be very time consuming. If you can address this  then it may become a worthwhile product</p>
<p>But after 5 days I&#8217;m strting to think that its Not bad&#8230;reliable&#8230;.. and I suppose Useable. The Trial has a 4 hour limit&#8230;but for me it Timed out once then seemed to just work permanently after that (so its working FREE for me)</p>
<p>nice!</p>
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		<title>By: alec</title>
		<link>http://foliovision.com/2010/01/17/keyloggers-mac-os-x#comment-32259</link>
		<dc:creator>alec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Mar 2010 23:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi J,

I did mean BackTrack. I&#039;ll fix that.

I&#039;m surprised about your experience. Right now BackTrack Assistant is using 25 MB of real memory along with the standard 1 GB of virtual memory that most OS X applications seem to take.

If I open BackTrack itself the application takes 13.85 MB of real memory, along with the normal single GB of virtual memory. It takes no CPU when the application is running. Are you sure you had set the purge setting correctly? Perhaps you had turned purge off and the database size spiralled out of control?

&lt;h5&gt;&lt;img class=&quot;noborder&quot; width=&quot;556&quot; height=&quot;547&quot; alt=&quot;BackTrack purge preferences&quot; src=&quot;/images/2010/03/BackTrack-purge-preferences.png&quot; /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
BackTrack purge preferences&lt;/h5&gt;

&lt;del&gt;I find your comment about screen captures very strange as BackTrack doesn&#039;t try to do screen captures. Unlike the rest of the rubbish in this sector of Mac software, BackTrack is not attempting to be spyware but rather provide a service to users seeking to restore lost text after an application or system crash.&lt;/del&gt; I&#039;m using version 4.1.5 with Leopard. Version 5 for Snow Leopard rather recklessly includes screen captures which is the last thing I want from my keylogger. Screen capture is for spyware.

I find it very useful with browser editing. Browsers are fragile and do strange things with back buttons. If BackTrack is running one loses a limited amount.

Perhaps you were using another program and not BackTrack?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi J,</p>
<p>I did mean BackTrack. I&#8217;ll fix that.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m surprised about your experience. Right now BackTrack Assistant is using 25 MB of real memory along with the standard 1 GB of virtual memory that most OS X applications seem to take.</p>
<p>If I open BackTrack itself the application takes 13.85 MB of real memory, along with the normal single GB of virtual memory. It takes no CPU when the application is running. Are you sure you had set the purge setting correctly? Perhaps you had turned purge off and the database size spiralled out of control?</p>
<h5><img class="noborder" width="556" height="547" alt="BackTrack purge preferences" src="/images/2010/03/BackTrack-purge-preferences.png" /><br />
BackTrack purge preferences</h5>
<p><del>I find your comment about screen captures very strange as BackTrack doesn&#8217;t try to do screen captures. Unlike the rest of the rubbish in this sector of Mac software, BackTrack is not attempting to be spyware but rather provide a service to users seeking to restore lost text after an application or system crash.</del> I&#8217;m using version 4.1.5 with Leopard. Version 5 for Snow Leopard rather recklessly includes screen captures which is the last thing I want from my keylogger. Screen capture is for spyware.</p>
<p>I find it very useful with browser editing. Browsers are fragile and do strange things with back buttons. If BackTrack is running one loses a limited amount.</p>
<p>Perhaps you were using another program and not BackTrack?</p>
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