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		<title>By: Jon T</title>
		<link>http://foliovision.com/2009/12/13/windows-7-licensing#comment-28816</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 14:55:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read this article and the comments, and I have to say that it would not surprise me if Microsoft finds itself out of business one day in the future.

Storing up such animosity in your customers has to be the most stupid way to behave.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read this article and the comments, and I have to say that it would not surprise me if Microsoft finds itself out of business one day in the future.</p>
<p>Storing up such animosity in your customers has to be the most stupid way to behave.</p>
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		<title>By: james braselton</title>
		<link>http://foliovision.com/2009/12/13/windows-7-licensing#comment-23389</link>
		<dc:creator>james braselton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 02:15:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi    there    you  are  right   about   apple  mac  ox    vs    windows    windows  wants  infint  operating  sytems   with   infint  licencess      verses   the  mac  ox  you  got  the  mac  ox  and  the  mac  ox  server  then  the  iphone  os  too   for  the  cellular  phone  iphones   and   dont  forget   sun  os     linux    be  os  sony  play  station  os   nintendo     wii  or  dsi     xbox  os  comadore  64  had  zero  os  why  cant  microsoft  have  just  one  os  with   one  licencess    like  apple   or  linus  or  be  os</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi    there    you  are  right   about   apple  mac  ox    vs    windows    windows  wants  infint  operating  sytems   with   infint  licencess      verses   the  mac  ox  you  got  the  mac  ox  and  the  mac  ox  server  then  the  iphone  os  too   for  the  cellular  phone  iphones   and   dont  forget   sun  os     linux    be  os  sony  play  station  os   nintendo     wii  or  dsi     xbox  os  comadore  64  had  zero  os  why  cant  microsoft  have  just  one  os  with   one  licencess    like  apple   or  linus  or  be  os</p>
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		<title>By: alec</title>
		<link>http://foliovision.com/2009/12/13/windows-7-licensing#comment-23083</link>
		<dc:creator>alec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 14:35:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well put Kirk.

One of the big reasons we are making the shift to OS X is exactly that reason: we can create standard versions of our Foliovision bundle to clone out to &lt;a href=&quot;http://foliovision.com/2009/12/15/apple-mini-enterprise-contract&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;new Mac Minis&lt;/a&gt; as we acquire them. At each stage modifying the image is not difficult.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well put Kirk.</p>
<p>One of the big reasons we are making the shift to OS X is exactly that reason: we can create standard versions of our Foliovision bundle to clone out to <a href="http://foliovision.com/2009/12/15/apple-mini-enterprise-contract" rel="nofollow" class="liinternal">new Mac Minis</a> as we acquire them. At each stage modifying the image is not difficult.</p>
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		<title>By: kirkrr</title>
		<link>http://foliovision.com/2009/12/13/windows-7-licensing#comment-23077</link>
		<dc:creator>kirkrr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 16:50:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another big deployment cost on Windows, is disk imaging. Any variation in the hardware deployed, right down to the chip level, requires a specific install of Windows. To make disk images for consistent and controlled software deployment, you need to have the exact same hardware setups. 

This is why corporate-class Lenovo, HP, Dell, etc. machines are equal or more expensive than equivalent Apple products - they have to lock in long term commitments to a specific set of hardware, in a rapidly changing technology. 

OS X does not require a separate disk image for each machine. The minimal hardware diversity combined with a far more effective way of creating a consistent install, allows a single disk image to be deployed to every machine, regardless of age (within limits - the major Intel transition is a break from the older PPC world, but not a problem with new installs anymore).

As far as licensing, compare a Dell Server with a similarly configured XServe. The XServe hardware is cheaper than the same Dell, AND, when you add in all the Windows CALS licenses, an XServe is a fraction of the cost of the Dell. 

And this is acquisition costs!! Life cycle maintenance costs on OS X are 20% or so of Windows, so the required IT support staff is greatly reduced. 

The big issue with migrating from Windows is a massively proprietary nature of the Windows environment; each and every Microsoft product stores YOUR data in proprietary formats that are not easily transferred to non-Microsoft solutions, intact. Microsoft products are engineered in such a way, that if you buy into one product, if you want to extend that functionality, it has to be with another Microsoft product; the interfaces and data formats are al closed, so they hold your data hostage, and as a result, create massive cost barriers to migration. 

Virtually every Apple product either stores the data in an open, published format, or provides extensive capability to move that data into non-proprietary formats. 

Apple is willing to compete on capabilities; Microsoft knows they could not compete in that arena, and locks up the data formats, making migration costly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another big deployment cost on Windows, is disk imaging. Any variation in the hardware deployed, right down to the chip level, requires a specific install of Windows. To make disk images for consistent and controlled software deployment, you need to have the exact same hardware setups. </p>
<p>This is why corporate-class Lenovo, HP, Dell, etc. machines are equal or more expensive than equivalent Apple products &#8211; they have to lock in long term commitments to a specific set of hardware, in a rapidly changing technology. </p>
<p>OS X does not require a separate disk image for each machine. The minimal hardware diversity combined with a far more effective way of creating a consistent install, allows a single disk image to be deployed to every machine, regardless of age (within limits &#8211; the major Intel transition is a break from the older PPC world, but not a problem with new installs anymore).</p>
<p>As far as licensing, compare a Dell Server with a similarly configured XServe. The XServe hardware is cheaper than the same Dell, AND, when you add in all the Windows CALS licenses, an XServe is a fraction of the cost of the Dell. </p>
<p>And this is acquisition costs!! Life cycle maintenance costs on OS X are 20% or so of Windows, so the required IT support staff is greatly reduced. </p>
<p>The big issue with migrating from Windows is a massively proprietary nature of the Windows environment; each and every Microsoft product stores YOUR data in proprietary formats that are not easily transferred to non-Microsoft solutions, intact. Microsoft products are engineered in such a way, that if you buy into one product, if you want to extend that functionality, it has to be with another Microsoft product; the interfaces and data formats are al closed, so they hold your data hostage, and as a result, create massive cost barriers to migration. </p>
<p>Virtually every Apple product either stores the data in an open, published format, or provides extensive capability to move that data into non-proprietary formats. </p>
<p>Apple is willing to compete on capabilities; Microsoft knows they could not compete in that arena, and locks up the data formats, making migration costly.</p>
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		<title>By: alec</title>
		<link>http://foliovision.com/2009/12/13/windows-7-licensing#comment-23049</link>
		<dc:creator>alec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 22:15:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Greg. Apples use standard RAM and hard drives. What else do you really want to be modding on laptops or micro computers?

Buy the minimum configuration and do the upgrade yourself if you are price sensitive.

Sure it&#039;s a little harder to pop a Mini but how often do you have to do it? There&#039;s some nice &lt;a href=&quot;http://eshop.macsales.com/installvideos/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;video guides to servicing your own hardware over at OWC&lt;/a&gt;. With the help of their video I was able to swap the hard drive inside a Macbook Pro with no difficulty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Greg. Apples use standard RAM and hard drives. What else do you really want to be modding on laptops or micro computers?</p>
<p>Buy the minimum configuration and do the upgrade yourself if you are price sensitive.</p>
<p>Sure it&#8217;s a little harder to pop a Mini but how often do you have to do it? There&#8217;s some nice <a href="http://eshop.macsales.com/installvideos/" rel="nofollow" class="liexternal">video guides to servicing your own hardware over at OWC</a>. With the help of their video I was able to swap the hard drive inside a Macbook Pro with no difficulty.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
		<link>http://foliovision.com/2009/12/13/windows-7-licensing#comment-23048</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 21:31:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While that may have been your experience in the past Apple has lowered their prices on custom order items (RAM, HD). However if their prices are too high for you can always buy from your favorite local vendor or macsales.com. Really if they wanted to update an older system why on earth would they even consider having Apple do it because you know it&#039;s going to cost more then DIY? I mean don&#039;t get me wrong Apple is in the business to make money and if your willing to pay they are willing to provide you the services. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While that may have been your experience in the past Apple has lowered their prices on custom order items (RAM, HD). However if their prices are too high for you can always buy from your favorite local vendor or macsales.com. Really if they wanted to update an older system why on earth would they even consider having Apple do it because you know it&#8217;s going to cost more then DIY? I mean don&#8217;t get me wrong Apple is in the business to make money and if your willing to pay they are willing to provide you the services. :)</p>
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		<title>By: Macs suck</title>
		<link>http://foliovision.com/2009/12/13/windows-7-licensing#comment-23044</link>
		<dc:creator>Macs suck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 10:10:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just make sure not to buy any additional hardware from Apple.  A friend of mine wanted to upgrade to 4GB on her old Mac Pro.  Apple&#039;s price?  $1000.

I&#039;m not joking.  That&#039;s flat out rape.  Which you can expect more of, now that you have bonded yourself to karmic nightmare Steve &quot;Resident of Tennessee&quot; Jobs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just make sure not to buy any additional hardware from Apple.  A friend of mine wanted to upgrade to 4GB on her old Mac Pro.  Apple&#8217;s price?  $1000.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not joking.  That&#8217;s flat out rape.  Which you can expect more of, now that you have bonded yourself to karmic nightmare Steve &#8220;Resident of Tennessee&#8221; Jobs.</p>
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		<title>By: Windows 7 Licensing or How Microsoft Lost Our Business &#171; Chicago Mac/PC Support</title>
		<link>http://foliovision.com/2009/12/13/windows-7-licensing#comment-23042</link>
		<dc:creator>Windows 7 Licensing or How Microsoft Lost Our Business &#171; Chicago Mac/PC Support</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 18:45:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: adman</title>
		<link>http://foliovision.com/2009/12/13/windows-7-licensing#comment-23041</link>
		<dc:creator>adman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 18:31:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heh heh, we just did the same with Leopard Server and saved enough to buy two Mac Minis and 4 macBook Pros on 40 seats.
No brainer and since we already had the XP licences, there is no downside software wise. Our network guy was incredulous but well satisfied in a grudging sorta way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh heh, we just did the same with Leopard Server and saved enough to buy two Mac Minis and 4 macBook Pros on 40 seats.<br />
No brainer and since we already had the XP licences, there is no downside software wise. Our network guy was incredulous but well satisfied in a grudging sorta way.</p>
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		<title>By: Louis Wheeler</title>
		<link>http://foliovision.com/2009/12/13/windows-7-licensing#comment-23040</link>
		<dc:creator>Louis Wheeler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 17:25:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The reason that Microsoft is playing this game is that Microsoft has a serious problem it must solve, &quot;How do you get the Windows XP users to upgrade?&quot; Microsoft must do this for two reasons: the XP users constitute 70% of the computer users in the world and Microsoft desperately needs the money for all the botched R&amp;D. Very likely, It hasn&#039;t paid off Vista and Longhorn&#039;s development, yet.

I suspect that a third to a half of the XP users would stay where they are, if Microsoft didn&#039;t push them. The reason they would hold fast is they are on old hardware and software that functions adequately for now. The business climate does not encourage buying new computers or upgrades.

What Microsoft wants is a new computer purchase, because that locks the Enterprise market in for another decade. The game with the confusing licenses is to exasperate you into going along with the crowd. If they can&#039;t blind you with brilliance, then they must baffle you with bullsh*t. How much time can you devote to this junk? You have a business to run.

The problem with this strategy is that once you start cranking numbers and looking at options, you are likely to look at Apple and Linux as well. If the Windows XP users hold off long enough then they represent an opportunity for someone, besides Microsoft, to service. 

Frankly, we don&#039;t have enough evidence to know if others are following your lead. It will take another four to six months to see how things are shaping up.

The Vista users have every reason to upgrade, since their computers are less than three years old. About 15% to 25% of the XP users have computers which are three to five years old. Those computers are less likely to be upgraded, even though Windows Seven will work well. A new computer should be budgeted to replace them, but there is little hurry.

The computers which are over five years old are the problem. They have been relegated to minimal use. There is little reason to replace them until the hardware breaks.

We don&#039;t know how this will work out. The people who have intensive computing needs, or need to maintain local files, are likely to stay with Windows or go with Apple.

You can stay with Wintel for lower initial price, but the smart money is to buy Apple for its lower total cost of ownership since you can keep Mac for an expended period to wring out the last buck. 

Small to Medium sized Business owns report that their employees are 20% more efficient on a Mac. It certainly looks as though the move to Windows Seven will cause Microsoft to lose market share and Apple is making it very easy to migrate.

One of the more interesting solutions is Google&#039;s Chrome OS. The reason is not that Enterprise users would move to the &quot;Cloud,&quot; but that Chrome would be hijacked for older businesses to use.

As you know, Google is designing the Chrome OS as a, very secure, HTLM 5 Web based operating System. Google is intentionally making it light weight to keep it from being hijacked. 

The problem is that the Chrome OS is Ubuntu Linux under the hood. Normally, Business owners would not be attracted to Linux, because it is too geeky and technical. But, there is nothing to keep a canny Linux Distro from taking the GUI from Chrome and placing it atop a more robust Linux base. 

Then, you could run your old XP programs in WINE. This keeps your old computers in use for a longer period at a minimal cost. By the time you are ready to buy a new computer, inexpensive Chrome OS Laptops and Desktops will be readily available. They will have Intel Atom computers-in-a-chip in them, but these will be fast enough for your light computing needs. 

I suspect that the lower half of the consumer market could be stripped away from Microsoft as well as much of the lower half of the Windows XP computers. But, it&#039;s too soon to say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reason that Microsoft is playing this game is that Microsoft has a serious problem it must solve, &#8220;How do you get the Windows XP users to upgrade?&#8221; Microsoft must do this for two reasons: the XP users constitute 70% of the computer users in the world and Microsoft desperately needs the money for all the botched R&amp;D. Very likely, It hasn&#8217;t paid off Vista and Longhorn&#8217;s development, yet.</p>
<p>I suspect that a third to a half of the XP users would stay where they are, if Microsoft didn&#8217;t push them. The reason they would hold fast is they are on old hardware and software that functions adequately for now. The business climate does not encourage buying new computers or upgrades.</p>
<p>What Microsoft wants is a new computer purchase, because that locks the Enterprise market in for another decade. The game with the confusing licenses is to exasperate you into going along with the crowd. If they can&#8217;t blind you with brilliance, then they must baffle you with bullsh*t. How much time can you devote to this junk? You have a business to run.</p>
<p>The problem with this strategy is that once you start cranking numbers and looking at options, you are likely to look at Apple and Linux as well. If the Windows XP users hold off long enough then they represent an opportunity for someone, besides Microsoft, to service. </p>
<p>Frankly, we don&#8217;t have enough evidence to know if others are following your lead. It will take another four to six months to see how things are shaping up.</p>
<p>The Vista users have every reason to upgrade, since their computers are less than three years old. About 15% to 25% of the XP users have computers which are three to five years old. Those computers are less likely to be upgraded, even though Windows Seven will work well. A new computer should be budgeted to replace them, but there is little hurry.</p>
<p>The computers which are over five years old are the problem. They have been relegated to minimal use. There is little reason to replace them until the hardware breaks.</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t know how this will work out. The people who have intensive computing needs, or need to maintain local files, are likely to stay with Windows or go with Apple.</p>
<p>You can stay with Wintel for lower initial price, but the smart money is to buy Apple for its lower total cost of ownership since you can keep Mac for an expended period to wring out the last buck. </p>
<p>Small to Medium sized Business owns report that their employees are 20% more efficient on a Mac. It certainly looks as though the move to Windows Seven will cause Microsoft to lose market share and Apple is making it very easy to migrate.</p>
<p>One of the more interesting solutions is Google&#8217;s Chrome OS. The reason is not that Enterprise users would move to the &#8220;Cloud,&#8221; but that Chrome would be hijacked for older businesses to use.</p>
<p>As you know, Google is designing the Chrome OS as a, very secure, HTLM 5 Web based operating System. Google is intentionally making it light weight to keep it from being hijacked. </p>
<p>The problem is that the Chrome OS is Ubuntu Linux under the hood. Normally, Business owners would not be attracted to Linux, because it is too geeky and technical. But, there is nothing to keep a canny Linux Distro from taking the GUI from Chrome and placing it atop a more robust Linux base. </p>
<p>Then, you could run your old XP programs in WINE. This keeps your old computers in use for a longer period at a minimal cost. By the time you are ready to buy a new computer, inexpensive Chrome OS Laptops and Desktops will be readily available. They will have Intel Atom computers-in-a-chip in them, but these will be fast enough for your light computing needs. </p>
<p>I suspect that the lower half of the consumer market could be stripped away from Microsoft as well as much of the lower half of the Windows XP computers. But, it&#8217;s too soon to say.</p>
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