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	<title>Comments on: New York Times Online: Ad Revenue Mismanagement = Unemployed Journalists</title>
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		<title>By: alec</title>
		<link>http://foliovision.com/2008/04/29/nytimes-ad-revenue-unemployed-journalists/#comment-20981</link>
		<dc:creator>alec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 17:14:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Slick,

We agree about reprinting AP, but I'd hardly call the NY Times liberal at this point.

In what way are you beholden to Robert Murdoch?

I'd say the WSJ has taken a sharp turn for the worse since he took over, into doctrinaire laissez-faire economic ranting, along with disingenuous neocon politicking. It used to be that what was written in the WSJ was interesting and influential. At this point, most of it is predictable and trite.

As just one small example, the &lt;a href="http://www.uncoy.com/2008/03/wsj-encourages.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;WSJ is encouraging tax fraud&lt;/a&gt;. You can't get much more bankrupt intellectually or ethically.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Slick,</p>
<p>We agree about reprinting AP, but I&#8217;d hardly call the NY Times liberal at this point.</p>
<p>In what way are you beholden to Robert Murdoch?</p>
<p>I&#8217;d say the WSJ has taken a sharp turn for the worse since he took over, into doctrinaire laissez-faire economic ranting, along with disingenuous neocon politicking. It used to be that what was written in the WSJ was interesting and influential. At this point, most of it is predictable and trite.</p>
<p>As just one small example, the <a href="http://www.uncoy.com/2008/03/wsj-encourages.html" rel="nofollow">WSJ is encouraging tax fraud</a>. You can&#8217;t get much more bankrupt intellectually or ethically.</p>
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		<title>By: Slick</title>
		<link>http://foliovision.com/2008/04/29/nytimes-ad-revenue-unemployed-journalists/#comment-20980</link>
		<dc:creator>Slick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 13:39:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://foliovision.com/2008/04/29/nytimes-ad-revenue-unemployed-journalists/#comment-20980</guid>
		<description>The NT Times is a liberal trash paper.  That's why it's failing.  There's nothing really news worthy printed in it - just fluff.  Who, except libs want to read that?

The times is also getting slaughtered by online news sources -just like everyone else.  Furthermore - most news agencies don't even produce their own news any more - they just reprint AP articles.  So what's the point of having all these news media outlets, when they are all just reprinting that same crap from AP?

There is still a place for news - but it has to be well thought out, researched, verified and reliable.  The Times doesn't do that - the Wall Street Journal does.  That's why the WSJ continues to survive, and the Times (along with many other crummy "news" organizations) are dying off like the dinosaurs that they are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The NT Times is a liberal trash paper.  That&#8217;s why it&#8217;s failing.  There&#8217;s nothing really news worthy printed in it - just fluff.  Who, except libs want to read that?</p>
<p>The times is also getting slaughtered by online news sources -just like everyone else.  Furthermore - most news agencies don&#8217;t even produce their own news any more - they just reprint AP articles.  So what&#8217;s the point of having all these news media outlets, when they are all just reprinting that same crap from AP?</p>
<p>There is still a place for news - but it has to be well thought out, researched, verified and reliable.  The Times doesn&#8217;t do that - the Wall Street Journal does.  That&#8217;s why the WSJ continues to survive, and the Times (along with many other crummy &#8220;news&#8221; organizations) are dying off like the dinosaurs that they are.</p>
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		<title>By: alec</title>
		<link>http://foliovision.com/2008/04/29/nytimes-ad-revenue-unemployed-journalists/#comment-20978</link>
		<dc:creator>alec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 19:09:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://foliovision.com/2008/04/29/nytimes-ad-revenue-unemployed-journalists/#comment-20978</guid>
		<description>Hello Amanda,

Thanks for the link to the Rick Edmonds Q &#038; A and that hilarious cartoon. Normally I loathe flash, but Buy Safe is using the bandwidth well.

My issue is not the circulation numbers but the mismanagement of the online potential at the NY Times. There's no way they should be struggling right now - they had great content and traffic and should be able to turn that into hiring instead of firing.

Partly it's bad commercial decisions, but it's partly bad editorial decisions. I don't trust the NY Times anymore. They have so often been mouthpieces for propaganda from the Bush administration, various neocons and/or the Pentagon that I prefer to seek my own information from critical weblogs. When there is a really good article in the NY Times someone will link to it. But I won't read it as the paper of record anymore. There are lots of others making similar complaints.

Credibility and opportunity have been squandered at the NY Times over the last seven years. They shouldn't be in this position. But they earned it.

They could fix the commercial end, relatively easily. And the story about the Pentagon propaganda indicates there is some hope for the editorial end as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Amanda,</p>
<p>Thanks for the link to the Rick Edmonds Q &#038; A and that hilarious cartoon. Normally I loathe flash, but Buy Safe is using the bandwidth well.</p>
<p>My issue is not the circulation numbers but the mismanagement of the online potential at the NY Times. There&#8217;s no way they should be struggling right now - they had great content and traffic and should be able to turn that into hiring instead of firing.</p>
<p>Partly it&#8217;s bad commercial decisions, but it&#8217;s partly bad editorial decisions. I don&#8217;t trust the NY Times anymore. They have so often been mouthpieces for propaganda from the Bush administration, various neocons and/or the Pentagon that I prefer to seek my own information from critical weblogs. When there is a really good article in the NY Times someone will link to it. But I won&#8217;t read it as the paper of record anymore. There are lots of others making similar complaints.</p>
<p>Credibility and opportunity have been squandered at the NY Times over the last seven years. They shouldn&#8217;t be in this position. But they earned it.</p>
<p>They could fix the commercial end, relatively easily. And the story about the Pentagon propaganda indicates there is some hope for the editorial end as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Amanda</title>
		<link>http://foliovision.com/2008/04/29/nytimes-ad-revenue-unemployed-journalists/#comment-20975</link>
		<dc:creator>Amanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 17:52:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://foliovision.com/2008/04/29/nytimes-ad-revenue-unemployed-journalists/#comment-20975</guid>
		<description>While there have been some decreases in newspaper circulation not all of it can be called failure or a complete shift away from this traditional medium. In many cases the decreases are genuinely business oriented—things like voluntary circulation cutting to outlying areas because of escalating fuel costs. Diego Vasquez wrote &lt;a href="http://www.medialifemagazine.com/artman2/publish/Newspapers_24/Why_papers_are_still_a_good_media_buy.asp" rel="nofollow"&gt;an article about circulation&lt;/a&gt; based on a Q&#38;A with Rick Edmonds, media business analyst for the Poynter Institute.

There seems to be a lot more to the picture than it seems. The one thing that’s certain is that the only real way to tell what’s going on is through the use of audited circulation statements. Furthermore, though there may be a shift to online media that only reinforces the need for the development of realistic audit processes for that medium. We’ve been working with a group called &lt;a href="http://www.buysafemedia.com/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Buy Safe Media&lt;/a&gt; and they’ve got some good info on the value of audited media.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While there have been some decreases in newspaper circulation not all of it can be called failure or a complete shift away from this traditional medium. In many cases the decreases are genuinely business oriented—things like voluntary circulation cutting to outlying areas because of escalating fuel costs. Diego Vasquez wrote <a href="http://www.medialifemagazine.com/artman2/publish/Newspapers_24/Why_papers_are_still_a_good_media_buy.asp" rel="nofollow">an article about circulation</a> based on a Q&amp;A with Rick Edmonds, media business analyst for the Poynter Institute.</p>
<p>There seems to be a lot more to the picture than it seems. The one thing that’s certain is that the only real way to tell what’s going on is through the use of audited circulation statements. Furthermore, though there may be a shift to online media that only reinforces the need for the development of realistic audit processes for that medium. We’ve been working with a group called <a href="http://www.buysafemedia.com/" rel="nofollow">Buy Safe Media</a> and they’ve got some good info on the value of audited media.</p>
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		<title>By: Radka</title>
		<link>http://foliovision.com/2008/04/29/nytimes-ad-revenue-unemployed-journalists/#comment-20967</link>
		<dc:creator>Radka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 19:49:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dont care if somebody asks for registration, beacuse I use false name.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dont care if somebody asks for registration, beacuse I use false name.</p>
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		<title>By: alec</title>
		<link>http://foliovision.com/2008/04/29/nytimes-ad-revenue-unemployed-journalists/#comment-20966</link>
		<dc:creator>alec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 22:19:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://foliovision.com/2008/04/29/nytimes-ad-revenue-unemployed-journalists/#comment-20966</guid>
		<description>Hello Brenda,

It's difficult to get the NY Times or ABC News to bite on a story.

What they like to do is poach their news from other news organisations. If you had a good local article published on the topic, the NY Times might see that and do a piece of their own exploring the issue further.

News is highly cannibalistic, especially American news. I recommend you contact your local paper and give them the full scoop. The journalists there will be hungrier for some original news. If the story is good, other news organisations will follow.

To address the substance of your story, the behaviour of corporate America is truly horrifying and seems to be getting worse. With the Bush government and GOP judiciary smiling on such ruthlessness, it's very difficult to fight back.

Keep up the good fight and bring your story to light.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Brenda,</p>
<p>It&#8217;s difficult to get the NY Times or ABC News to bite on a story.</p>
<p>What they like to do is poach their news from other news organisations. If you had a good local article published on the topic, the NY Times might see that and do a piece of their own exploring the issue further.</p>
<p>News is highly cannibalistic, especially American news. I recommend you contact your local paper and give them the full scoop. The journalists there will be hungrier for some original news. If the story is good, other news organisations will follow.</p>
<p>To address the substance of your story, the behaviour of corporate America is truly horrifying and seems to be getting worse. With the Bush government and GOP judiciary smiling on such ruthlessness, it&#8217;s very difficult to fight back.</p>
<p>Keep up the good fight and bring your story to light.</p>
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		<title>By: Brenda Smith</title>
		<link>http://foliovision.com/2008/04/29/nytimes-ad-revenue-unemployed-journalists/#comment-20965</link>
		<dc:creator>Brenda Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 20:28:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Alex, I will be glad to share this. Verizon is under investigation by the IRS for tax evasion and tax fraud. Verizon has avoided paying taxes by firing and forcing to retire sick and disabled employees, then denying disability retirements and associated benefits. All corporate officers, including Doreen Toben, the CFO of Verizon that is on the board of directors for the NY Times has been part of this for years. I was the one that made the complaint to the IRS. less than an hour after asking the question of the IRS if the story and circumstances I provided was considered tax fraud and evasion, I got a response from them with the forms to file the information and complaint. I have heard from the IRS several times now and added more details as they require.
It is my opinion that there is a conflict with the NY Times because of Doreen Toben and that is apparently why they are refusing to publish the story. I gave them a copy of the emails with the IRS , a copy of the complaint and other details.
I can only assume that my concerns are correct.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Alex, I will be glad to share this. Verizon is under investigation by the IRS for tax evasion and tax fraud. Verizon has avoided paying taxes by firing and forcing to retire sick and disabled employees, then denying disability retirements and associated benefits. All corporate officers, including Doreen Toben, the CFO of Verizon that is on the board of directors for the NY Times has been part of this for years. I was the one that made the complaint to the IRS. less than an hour after asking the question of the IRS if the story and circumstances I provided was considered tax fraud and evasion, I got a response from them with the forms to file the information and complaint. I have heard from the IRS several times now and added more details as they require.<br />
It is my opinion that there is a conflict with the NY Times because of Doreen Toben and that is apparently why they are refusing to publish the story. I gave them a copy of the emails with the IRS , a copy of the complaint and other details.<br />
I can only assume that my concerns are correct.</p>
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		<title>By: alec</title>
		<link>http://foliovision.com/2008/04/29/nytimes-ad-revenue-unemployed-journalists/#comment-20964</link>
		<dc:creator>alec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 20:15:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://foliovision.com/2008/04/29/nytimes-ad-revenue-unemployed-journalists/#comment-20964</guid>
		<description>Hello Brenda,

Based on NY Times performance during the Bush years, I think it is.

The sinking circulation and their red financial ink seems to have woken them out of their torpor. The article about the &lt;a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/20/washington/20generals.html?ex=1366344000&#038;en=196b27df83cc255c&#038;ei=5090&#038;partner=rssuserland&#038;emc=rss&#038;pagewanted=all" rel="nofollow"&gt;Pentagon propaganda talking heads&lt;/a&gt; was something of a scoop, very long and certainly undesired by the Bush administration.

But we haven't seen much of that investigative reporting in the last five years. If we had, their circulation and reputation would be in better condition.

I'm always keen to know what Verizon is up to. Could you share some of the story with us?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Brenda,</p>
<p>Based on NY Times performance during the Bush years, I think it is.</p>
<p>The sinking circulation and their red financial ink seems to have woken them out of their torpor. The article about the <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/20/washington/20generals.html?ex=1366344000&#038;en=196b27df83cc255c&#038;ei=5090&#038;partner=rssuserland&#038;emc=rss&#038;pagewanted=all" rel="nofollow">Pentagon propaganda talking heads</a> was something of a scoop, very long and certainly undesired by the Bush administration.</p>
<p>But we haven&#8217;t seen much of that investigative reporting in the last five years. If we had, their circulation and reputation would be in better condition.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m always keen to know what Verizon is up to. Could you share some of the story with us?</p>
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		<title>By: Brenda Smith</title>
		<link>http://foliovision.com/2008/04/29/nytimes-ad-revenue-unemployed-journalists/#comment-20963</link>
		<dc:creator>Brenda Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 19:00:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://foliovision.com/2008/04/29/nytimes-ad-revenue-unemployed-journalists/#comment-20963</guid>
		<description>I have given the NY Times a great story about Verizon and they refuse to publish it. I have to assume that because Doreen Toben, the CFO for Verizon is on the Board of the NY Times, this the reason why. Catherine Mathis of the NY Times has refused to have the story published. Is this how they handle other stories ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have given the NY Times a great story about Verizon and they refuse to publish it. I have to assume that because Doreen Toben, the CFO for Verizon is on the Board of the NY Times, this the reason why. Catherine Mathis of the NY Times has refused to have the story published. Is this how they handle other stories ?</p>
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